In this article, we examine the deep-rooted culture of gossip, often referred to as "whisper net", within the Golden Dawn Tabernacle community. While it's not uncommon for any church/ club to have its share of gossip, given society's inherent attraction to drama, it appears that within Golden Dawn Tabernacle, simple gossip quickly escalates to slander. Such exchanges often become more malicious, nasty and deliberate. We'll explore how this culture is nurtured and manipulated by Pastor Isaac Noriega and the ministry, as well as the unfortunate impact it has on the congregation individuals.
GDT Environment
In the isolated environment of the church, where interactions are limited to fellow members and contact with non-member families is restricted, it's no surprise that gossip, or "chitchatting" as Isaac labels it, thrives. The church's strict rules, which even prohibit most forms of entertainment, further amplify this behavior. Though some gossip might be harmless, the church's secluded nature means rumors can easily tarnish an individual's reputation within the church, with the accused often treated as guilty until proven innocent. For example, a simple rumor about someone owning a smartphone, which is against church rules, can instantly lead to ostracization for that individual. Despite facing such judgments, members must attend services thrice a week, maintaining a facade of harmony.
Living under this constant pressure is draining. It's common in this "whisper net" for a story to morph completely, much like the game of 'telephone'. What's more concerning is the ministry's tendency to treat gossip as truth. Assistant Pastor and rule enforcer Reymundo "Rey" Aguirre is notably infamous for this. This environment fosters a culture of tattling, making the fear of becoming gossip fodder or being reported to the ministry a common concern among members. This culture usually results in a fearful "who told you that?!" whenever someone brings up a sincere and innocuous question. A great example is if someone went on a 3 day trip (in between church services), they would generally do it secretly, out of fear of others tattling and being ostracized for doing "worldly" activities.
GDT officials also use the church school as a way to extract information out from the students. A student may innocently mention something in passing about their family, and the teachers may report it up the chain and get that family in trouble. As an example, a five year once innocently mentioned that he wanted a television, and that was reported all the way up to Isaac Noriega who angrily blasted the parents from the pulpit.
Pastor Isaac Noriega's Impact
What's particularly distressing is the way Pastor Isaac Noriega himself seems to encourage and exploit this culture of gossip. Given his revered position in the church and the requirement for members to seek his permission in various matters, Isaac has a unique vantage point on the happenings within the congregation. Members confide in him, trusting his pastoral role. However, he has been known to share these confidential matters, either subtly from the pulpit without naming names (but providing enough details that leave little to the imagination), during private meetings, or even casually at dinners in congregants' homes. Anyone who has hosted him is aware that he might unexpectedly call out other members in his outbursts.
Regrettably, this appears to be a calculated move on his part, leading to divisions within families. A recent incident saw him cautioning two brothers-in-law separately against associating with the other, citing the influence of "worldly spirits." Consequently, the family found themselves torn, oblivious to the fact that Isaac was manipulating both parties. Isaac is also known to strategically share information with specific families known for gossiping, which is believed to be one of his methods to control and disseminate information. Due to the division in the church, cliques are formed. These cliques only serve to further damage any semblance of unity that the church had in the past.
Isaac Noriega is also notorious for claiming that God revealed certain things to him when he calls someone out for breaking a rule. The reality is that someone tattled to Isaac, however, Isaac takes that information and elevates it as coming from God, so that instills additional fear in the church and gives him justification to enact his gaslighting and punishments. Isaac has even claimed that sometimes he picks up the phone and he can hear two other people having a conversation, and that this is the Lord showing him certain things.
Conclusion
The unfortunate outcome is that members constantly grapple with the fear of becoming targets of gossip, slander, betrayal, or deliberate leaks from Isaac. This atmosphere breeds profound mistrust within the congregation, resulting in fragmented families, all while members put on a facade of unity and love. Such dynamics contribute significantly to the emotional strain and potential abuse faced by many due to the GDT's culture. Our hope is for GDT members to eventually recognize the manipulations by Isaac and the leadership, redirecting their frustration towards them and freeing themselves from these chains of mistrust and fear.
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Yo acuso esta generation!!! — October 7, 2023#
LA IDOLATRIA, EL CHISME Y EL ODIO son el unico fruto que da esta Iglesia, conosco padres que enseñan a sus niños a mentir desde que comienzan a hablar…. los instruyen antes de entrar a la escuelita de no decir nada y de mentir sobre siertas actividades normales familiares… personalmente soy testigo de padres que textualmente le dicen a sus hijos jovenes que mienten de cierta situacion y acaban diciendo"QUITATELO DE ENCIMA"… referendoce a Issac el pastor.. Por otro lado tenemos parejas y adultoos solteros como los hijos de Rey Aguirre que tienen la mission de investigar Todo y a todos… y asi como la pareja Mora que estan comisionados a llevarle CHISME Al pastor, poreso los sientan en lugares estrategicos en la asamblea. Y asi sus hijos de ellos aprende a mantener Bien contentos a Issac, llebandole information .. Isaac tiene un dicho desde que comenzó la iglesia. DIVIDE Y VENCERAS… estoy es sabido por los pioneros supuestos . Absolutamente es UNA FACHA DE ARMONIA .. ESTO ES LA VERDAD . Los peluqueros de oficios alli en GD, muchas veses se divierten entre ellos diciendo un CHISME inventado por ellos y asi luego ven como corre por la asamblea y esto los divierte… no existe ningun fruto del Espiritu alli… poreso hay personas que no pueden dejar la Iglesia porque ellos se alimenta de toda esta malicia…. y son los peores.
SMH — October 7, 2023#
B***** and R******** are among the worst gossipers. Despite their family scandals because Isaac favors them they still have an elevated status. And don’t get us started with their daughter
B.B — October 7, 2023#
The daughter is probably the worst type of Christian there is. Always looking at other peoples faults and excusing her own. Always bashing other people and snitching them out when she hides the same if not worse things. No wonder her poor neglected husband and son can’t stand her . Makes you wonder what Robert was on when he was having that affair with her
Anonymous — October 7, 2023#
I guess B***** G forgot he had an affair with a decons daughter. And his daughter had an affair too. Grace for me but not for thee.
Anonymous — October 7, 2023#
I remember as a kid ridding in the car with my parents and Isacc noriega gossiping about the people at his own church. Years later I found he would gossip about my family too…..what a shocker.
Yo acuso esta generation!!! — October 7, 2023#
Esto es verdad!!! Es su costumbre, hablar de La Gente que lo apoyan y le sirven, lo e oido miles de veses.. es un sembrador de discordias entre los hnos. Ministros tambien… lo e escuchalo hurlarse de ministros especial los de Centro america y mexicanos.. es un malvado, poreso la Palabra ya lo a condenado
SMH2 — October 7, 2023#
That woman is one of the worst mothers on earth. The fact that she considered leaving her husband and kid for R***** just shows u what she is. Also does anyone know how many kids she got rid of during her time with R*****? Lol and she thinks she’s cool with her mommy and daddy’s money… hahahahahaha they are broke and in debt. Look where they are living.
Someone who knows — October 7, 2023#
All that has been said here in this article and the comments is ABSOLUTELY the truth. If there is one family that has done the MOST damage with their gossip, causing division, hatred and hurt. Is this family. The daughter is pure evil dreased in Christian clothing, while the sons are the most self righteous hypocrites. The damage she did to the gifts God gave her is the most heartbreaking, discouraging situation I’ve ever witnessed. And the ministry allows it because she sits in the church pew raising her hands. Talk about a religious demon.
Anonymous — October 7, 2023#
The daughter is such a hoarder! Instead of gossiping and worrying about other people’s life she should clean her house and take care of her husband and son. Oh wait she can’t do that anymore since her husband and son are done with her.
General Custer — October 7, 2023#
Another major career gossiper and ministerial rat is the illegal native woman. She loves to criticize everyone and speed dials Rey and Isaac whenever she wants to maliciously damage someone. What’s ironic is she was fine with her drug dealing sons and her daughters whoring around to the highest bidder. She’s always a notorious freeloader and scab which is surprising after all the money they received from a lawsuit. Yet they squandered it all and now have a trailer which is an eyesore for midvale
Amor divino — October 7, 2023#
Esta clase de chismosos son las favoritos de Issac, le lleban CHISME, al mismo tiempo ganan su favor, y los considera sus favoritos.. tienen que hacerlo, es un Nido de malicia, hay una hna alli que siempre llega temprano pues es esposa de uno de los sindicos mas activos y ella aparenta estar lellendo, con la cabeza media inclinada fingiendo leer, pero sus ojos estan en t odo rincon del edificio y Ella platica que le molesta cuando pasa aguna hna “malvestida” y entre dientes murmura y dice: “PUERCA”.llamandole asi a la supuesta malvestida… Este es el ritual de ella cada servicio, y tambien son unos de los favoritos de Issac..
Welcome to Karma — October 7, 2023#
Is that why her husband would sit WAY on the other side of the church. Laughable! Karma some.
Guest — October 7, 2023#
Where are they living?
***** Reys lovely family — October 8, 2023#
*** Rey and all his siblings and their kids are the worst ones! Especially the so called “Elder” daughters they love to run ppl down and be busybodies. Thats why they’re buddies with the hoarder gossiper thats what they have in common. And lets not forget Reys sister is just as bad talking about others when her own kids are out of control lol
Golden Dawn — October 8, 2023#
Las esposas de los lideres son una mafia… la esposa e hija de E******* T*****, la esposa de S***** L****, la esposa de zepeda, la esposa de m**** s*******, la esposa de D******* T*****, la esposa del difunto M*** g*****, la temible y amargada esposa de M*** R******, los G*******, toda la familia, ellas por años son la mafia del CHISME, pero ellas lo considera CHISME “SANTO”, ellas fueron malditas, y ahora ya ancianas le han heredado ese demonio a su desendencia… y las ves tan perfectas sentaditas alli, listas para enseñarte cualquier duda de su doctrina. Este demonio lo sustenta mutuamente entre Issac y su Gente .. Es un demonio de crimen, alimentado por muchos miembros .
Richard — October 9, 2023#
Parece ser que ser honesto, transparente y verdadero no es un valor en grupos así, para preservarte tienes que ocultar cosas o de alguna habilidosa manera, con versículos bíblicos o citas del profeta, manipular la situación. Los niños aprenden que esa es la verdad, la forma de sobrevivir en ese tipo de ámbito, y ahí tenemos a futuros manipuladores de las escrituras y las citas. Los niños aprenden por lo que ven y por lo que experimentan que la realidad y los hechos son secundarios, son relativos. Vive mejor el que sabe manipular la situación y salirse con la suya. Aquí en Buenos Aires hay uno, creo que es una sola persona, muy hábil en lo que hace pues hace de varios personajes, se presenta en las redes sociales y desalienta, ataca, acosa a todo aquel que se anima a cuestionar al culto y a su líder de culto (debe creerse ser un “valiente de David”). Actúa desde las sombras, con diferentes nombres y personajes, que pareciera que son varios, y tratan de amedrentar y desanimar a los jóvenes a estar en las redes sociales y demás. Me lo he encontrado varias veces en redes sociales a través de diferentes personajes, uno de ellos es como poeta, pero es la misma persona, muy desagradable. Los jóvenes y adultos están casi obligados a tener redes sociales con otros nombres y perfiles.
En síntesis, La Honestidad, La Trasparencia, La verdad y la Libertad no son valores en grupos así. En esos grupos prosperan cosas oscuras y personajes siniestros. Y más aun fomentado por el creerse ser Los Elegidos, creerse ser una Casta Superior. Se potencia la maldad disfrazada de justicia divina.
Recuerdo, tengo lindos y feos recuerdos de personas, madres, padres, amigos, ahi en ese culto, gente buena, gente ilusa, creyentes en las palabras del predicador, nunca se animaron a cuestionar, tienen miedo, piensan que no podrían sobrevivir fuera o lejos de ese ámbito, y soportan abusos, humillaciones y mentiras, son muchos años de eso.
Ya habrán aplicado 200 veces La Señal (cada vez que el líder necesita saber que tiene el control sobre ellos o cada vez que se siente inseguro).
No hay Rapto, no hay Adopción, no hay filas de sanidad divina, no hay señales ni maravillas como tanto predicaron ser la restauración del original. Solo hay adoctrinamiento, someter a los creyentes a las palabras del predicador, y ver en cada reunion quien se equivocó (metió la pata en la semana) y a quien le toca ser humillado por el predicador desde el pulpito.
Y seguramente la otra gran atracción son los chismeríos. Imagínate, son los chimentos de la casta de los elegidos de Dios, no son cualquier chimentos de unos pobrecitos denominacionales. Es como los chimentos de la nobleza o realeza imaginaria…. jajajajajaja.
Saved By Grace — October 10, 2023#
A short summary of how gossip and slandering run rampant in GD. (p.s. it starts with the leaders) 1.Isaac preaches constant fear of the endtimes (the dangling carrot) and makes us think he’s standing in the gap for us (Isaac been using this since the 80’s with Russia and nuclear war etc..or whatever disaster he can point to). The key for us sheep is to act excited because we are the chosen ones that are going to be taken up and everyone else is cannon fodder. We salivate at the sinners demise. 2.The leader speaks for God. He’s God’s mouthpiece. Questioning Isaac is to question the leadership of the Holy Ghost (the hook with bait). We are Isaac’s sheep and he will present us to God. Always remember Isaac is standing in the gap fighting for us. We are lost without him (Isaac). His petty rules are what separates us from the other dead churches. 3.Attending GD is a lifetime contract. 4.Above all else never forget we are the elite of the elite.(our free pass to gossip about other churches or anyone no longer at GD) 5.Anyone who leaves is excommunicated and cut off. Isaac has said the nastiest and biggest lies of people who leave. They have become free game for us to say all manner of things about them! you can spin any narrative you want as to why they left..and its not considered gossip. Isaac calls it “calling out sin and exposing satan” So how does this all fit in with the post about gossip. somehow Isaac feels as if he has been given a golden ticket to bad mouth those families and individuals who choose to fellowship at another church. This is 100% unbiblical and slandering is a sin. Isaac’s horrible sin of slandering people who no longer attend that it has spread like a cancer taking root inside the walls of current GD members as well. Isaac created a “dog eat dog and survival of the holiest” atmosphere. With all his petty rules parents operate their family business in secrecy. This has created a huge tattle tale atmosphere and a spirit of legalism (which Jesus condemned very harshly)..So gossip is the network which keeps everyone feeling good about themselves..and if all else fails remember no matter what hidden sins you have as a current member of GD at least your not like us horrible sinners who have chosen to live under grace and sola scriptura.
Golden Dawn — October 10, 2023#
Ministros y miembros de otras partes del mundo, uds estan ya enterados de la condicion podrida de GD .. por lo tanto son culpables delante de DIOS si apoyan a esta Iglesia bajó el control de la MENTIRA, la IDOLATRIA, EL ABUSO, Y LA CALUMNIA… Quieran o no .. le responderan Al Señor por El maltrato a sus ovejas . Se esta gritando la verdad, no hay escusas!!!